YG Family: Friend or Foe

Well once again racial cynicism is nurtured by people who'd proclaim themselves non-racist people who are just striking out for freedom and anti-PC behavior.

The world is doomed if you can't feel free to make racist comments, and certainly the end is now if a person of color, especially a black person, dares to openly resent terms that have been long used to demean their race. Dilute the issue all you want, but change race to gender and let me address your mother, wife, daughter in terms nearing the offensiveness as nigger and let's see how 'sensitive' you get.

The larger the white audience for rap has become, the more 'mainstream' music, the more financially profitable and promotable it is to be a gangster rather than political. Just like there are women willing to be exploited for money in porn, there are black people willing to live out your images of black people as long as they make money from it, and folks in both groups willing to buy into the image.

Not all black people use the term, most black people despite the term and DON'T use it. Perhaps you should question your awareness of black people beyond rap imagery?

But why challenge what you need to justify your own racial attitudes? Sure listen to a small band of rappers and their audience, and decide the term is okay to call African-Americans because "they [all] use the term themselves." Fine, and I'll decide that all Asian look alike and are kung fu masters.

Another thread at soompi.com which discussed the issue:

LucasBunny
Mar 27 2007, 11:34 PM
Okay first and foremost

Do not Bash anyone!!!!!
I did not create this thread to bash the artist I am about to mention

I wanted to discuss this matter in the 20+ section instead of the k-pop section because I want to hear unbiased opinions on the matter.

This was like in January I think, my buddy a fellow soompier contacted me and she was very upset! It was about a comment made by a member of BigBang (Suengri)
so little Suengri goes on a korean radio show and makes a very ignorant and racist remark
he was discussing when he came to united states for the yg 10th anniversary concert
and how he went to change in someone's van, he was talking about in america how he could have gotten shot and he's glad the person was caucasian and not african american because the african american would have shot him.
I pull that quote out later.

I just found it weird that he would think a black person would shoot him and not a white person.

Now that upset me as well cuz #1. BigBang knows damn well they have african american fans, they looked us dead in eye at MTV and at the concert
#2. BigBang is based on hip hop and r&b, parts of the african american culture, in fact YG promotes the african american culture, they say so in there statement on the YG site.
So for him to say that was dumb.

So my soompi pal decided to write letters to the company because we were offended by this, mind you this was not to long after the Rosie incident and you know how we were treated??? Like criminals!

We were told because we are not korean our opinions don't matter, we shouldnt have got worked up because of the reputation african americans have, we need to keep quiet before we get YG in trouble, we are not real fans and that we were trying to ruin BigBang's careers! You would think the same people offended by Rosie's ignorant remark and that Oscar error would understand the most. Instead of saying Suengri was wrong people made excuse for his behavior, "Oh he's only 16, he's a sheltered korean boy he doesnt know anything"
well if that's the case a 16 year old boy should not be saying "Real mini cooper" in his songs.

No one hates BigBang, no one was trying to end there careers, I think they are 5 talented and goodlooking youngmen, I still enjoy there music regardless, but this needs to be mentioned!
we are just letting them know that we were hurt by Suengri's comment, even though it was on a korean radio show, we stay updated on these things.

So another soompier is a member of the yg site, she even posted our letters up there and I know they saw them, yet no statement was released still.
It seems like since we are not korean we do not matter, I just found i strange that something similar happened in the asian community, but the african american fans of Big Bang were turned into bad guys, don't get me wrong there are many asians on our side. But Suengri needs to apologize to his fans. Instead people are totally sweeping it under the rug like nothing happened.

Also Masta Wu was shooting out the "N" word in his latest song
and there are many people offended by that term, I am not offended by the term
but others are and I complety see why, it's very inappropriate to say, I know many black people say it in there songs, but when people from a forgein label start saying things like that it's bad, especially when they are trying to bring there artists out in america.

So was this ignorant of the two artists??
or were we just overreacting???

Same question with the "Rosie incident"

Once again please do not bash these artists
I don't hate either one, I don't believe they are racists
I just think they should think before they speak!

lilyphenix
Mar 28 2007, 12:04 AM
Well, it show again that our world isn't perfect.

I think the problem may lie in the cultural context as well. What works in America will not necessary work in Korea. America has powerful lobbies. Even if a star, singer, actor offends someone who is not American, but his culture is represented by an important community in the States, that person will apologize because of the power sale the offended's community represents.

Not only that, a public figure acting bad in the States is pointed at and his/her life will pretty much sucks until he/she gets his acts right, but the standards must be a little bit different in Korea, maybe the singers/actors are more protected by their companies?

I don't know how big is the Black community in Korea. I think it would make a difference if powerful Black figures (aren't they businessmen there?) living there or Black artists here raised their voice to address that matter. That may help open people's mind a little bit more. Just my two cents.

rahrah
Mar 28 2007, 12:05 AM
unfortunately, a lot of Asians in Asia, their perception of blacks is what they see from Hollywood. They never see blacks otherwise.

If all you did was watch Hollywood, you would think all blacks are criminals, thugs, rapists, etc...

Just like the blacks in NYC, all they do is watch the TV, so they think Chinese deliverymen are all like William Hung, they are all weak and to be pushed around, so its okay to shoot them and killl them even after u rob them of 20 bucks. Stereotypes exist both ways, but I guess with Asians, you keep it more to yourself, while with blacks those incidents erupt in violent attacks against asians, usually unprovoked. i mean, there's been a lot of deaths of chinese deliverymen in NYC this past year. And the thing is, they were killed after they were robbed. stereotypes of being weak and easy to pick on in this case got them killed.

yeah, of course you have a right to be mad tho. but in the end, i guess stereotypes are hard to ignore. but they do go both ways. hollywood is everywhere and influences most people to some degree, even if they don't realize it.

JuicyFruit21
Mar 28 2007, 12:42 AM

(rahrah @ Mar 28 2007, 12:05 AM) *
unfortunately, a lot of Asians in Asia, their perception of blacks is what they see from Hollywood. They never see blacks otherwise.

If all you did was watch Hollywood, you would think all blacks are criminals, thugs, rapists, etc...

Just like the blacks in NYC, all they do is watch the TV, so they think Chinese deliverymen are all like William Hung, they are all weak and to be pushed around, so its okay to shoot them and killl them even after u rob them of 20 bucks. Stereotypes exist both ways, but I guess with Asians, you keep it more to yourself, while with blacks those incidents erupt in violent attacks against asians, usually unprovoked. i mean, there's been a lot of deaths of chinese deliverymen in NYC this past year. And the thing is, they were killed after they were robbed. stereotypes of being weak and easy to pick on in this case got them killed.

yeah, of course you have a right to be mad tho. but in the end, i guess stereotypes are hard to ignore. but they do go both ways. hollywood is everywhere and influences most people to some degree, even if they don't realize it.

i have to agree with your post...to an extent...

blacks in NYC come into contact pretty much everyday with Asian people....and i highly doubt they are all thinking Asian men= William Hung.

and those ignorant criminals who kill the deliverymen over nothing even after they've robbed and taken the food..well lets just say that i hope they burn in hell. because that's just wrong..no it's three levels past wrong. people like that have no respect for human life...and if eveer one of them finally meets their match i hope to all hell that they get what they deserve.

now onto Hollywood. you are correct when you say that Hollywood influences the actions and thoughts of people be it conscious or sub, but most of the time it's up to the individual to make the decision to educate themselves....especially if it directly pertains to their line of work.

in the case of Seungri, i honestly feel he made an ignorant remark, and it obviously shows that he knows very little about the culture he's representing thru his work..it also suggested the underlying racism and xenophopia that is reflected in the closed-in society of South Korea, and other Asian countries, because apparently, it was ok for him to say.

lilyphenix pretty much said what i was going to say as well...and i agree that if the very small Black Community in SK were to speak up, there probably would have been more attention brought to it...kinda how in Japan there was a manga/magazine that depicted the Caucasian foreigners (teachers, gov. workers, soldiers..and just normal citizens) as rapists, muggers, theives, and liars and woman stealers( and they encouraged the Japanese men to take action against them). now there may have been some who fit the description, but these magazines were very popular among the Japanese men, causing the foreign men to be treated very wrongly. they (the foreign men) spoke up about it demanding that these stop being published and they were (not that easily, but it happened) and i just think that is really cool..because if they hadn't i'm sure that mindset would have festered into something really nasty.

as for M.Wu....i didn't like him saying the N word....and the fact that he knows American culture and how wrong it would be for him to say that if he were here, just made me disgusted. i honestly have no feelings good or bad about him (i was never really into his music..the only time i heard him rap was like on other artists' songs..lol) and well...that cannot be excused as ignorance....but the truth of it is...i kinda get the feeling that he was using the word as a way to be more...''down'' if you will...to be more..''black'' but in honesty..it just highlighted how ''not black or down'' he was.....which if you think about it...makes it even worse..lol his song would've been just fine if he'd have left that word out..buuuutt he chose to keep it in.

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to ash..i've said this to you before, but i honestly don't think there will be a formal apology or statement that acknowledges our efforts and concerns anytime soon....well atleast not until Se7en makes his debut,because i kinda feel that the powers that be would be really embarrassed by the US hip hop/r&b community and media if it came to light that they ignored Seungri's slip-up and right now, they aren't thinking about that...when they should.... remember, it's all about business. they'll release a statement only if it means they may lose money over it. and since right now, people are still buying their albums, then guess what...

*quick thought*

if they do release a statement after so long, i think it will make them look worse....because then it will seem like they are just trying to save face and that they don't really mean it...because the apology would just be empty.

theedqueen
Mar 28 2007, 12:42 AM
Well, if they made an ignorant remark, that's one thing. The majority of Koreans (or any other asian country for that matter) most likely don't have much exposure to black people other than what they get from hollywood. But then again when the issue deals with who you think would be more likely to shoot you, then it can get pretty racist since you're judging the morality of a group of people instead of an individual person and that's just not right. To think someone would pull a gun on you just because of their race is just really wrong and can't be ignored instead of something more pardonable like thinking if you're asian you must be super good in school.

Now, as for the response from YG entertainment I find that really insulting. If you insult anybody you should apologize to them, not accuse them of ruining your career. Especially just because they are not fans from your country. People are people, borderlines shouldn't be a factor in common decency. If you're ignorant about the whole situation fine, annoying, but fine. But if someone points it out to you at least own up to it.

jurassic5
Mar 28 2007, 12:46 AM
it's very ironic and ignorant of them...

this is the same label that claims to be Korea's source of urban music...so i find it ironic of YG to have an artist of theirs express that sentiment towards the black community in the united states, considering that these same artists try and emulate a part of this community by way of dress, style, talk, music etc.

some other things the company has done that i found ironic:

posing with guns in music videos and album covers...the irony? korea has very strict gun laws..virtually making guns non-existent in korea

groups such as StonySkunk talk about the wonders of marijuana...the irony? weed is considered a narcotic in korea which leads to imprisonment

HERMIT
Mar 28 2007, 12:47 AM

(LucasBunny @ Mar 27 2007, 08:34 PM) *
So was this ignorant of the two artists??

I'm not familiar with the incident, so I'm only going by your account above by how it went down. But it does sound to me that there was a measurable level of ignorance by the two. In the case of the 16 year old, I'd gather a bit of youthful naivete must have come into play as well. I guess there's something to be said about how the portrayal of African Americans translates overseas in countries where the presence of black culture/population is miniscule or non-existent and all that there is to go by are the depictions and representations by the different forms of media. It ultimately gives a skewed perspective. So presuming that the level of ignorance by the two artists only extends as far as their young age and presumably limited knowledge of black culture, then perhaps more of the frustration should focus on the company and the way they handled and brushed aside your concerns. Certainly, you would think that the powers that be would be a little bit more worldly and cognizant of racial sensitivities - but for them, it's a business and money defines their bottom line. And for them, the way to meeting that bottom line is catering to where they'll make the majority of their revenue - and that's mostly through the Korean public first and then the rest of their Asian fan base second. Unfortunately, it would seem that everyone else falls a distant third. So, regrettably, to them they may recognize that there is a segment of African American fans, but not enough in the grand scheme of things that they would so much as raise a fuss over the complaint.
I guess my explanation may not make you feel any better, but it might perhaps pose the underlying reasons why they would state that "since you aren't Korean, you don't matter". I'm not making excuses for them, but this is something to consider in that the company's statement might not wholly be rooted in just plain bigotry but just out of the simple notion that African Americans are just not a big concern in their overall business plan. Nonetheless, I do agree that the business handlers acting on behalf of the artists should have been more sensitive, handled the issue better, and utilized a better choice of words in replying to your concerns.

or were we just overreacting???

Nope, not at all. I approach your situation the same way sexual harrasment is handled in the workplace in general: even if you don't construe an action as harrassing or offensive, so long as somebody takes umbrage with it - you need to take it seriously and respectfully address the matter appropriately.

rahrah
Mar 28 2007, 12:57 AM

(JuicyFruit21 @ Mar 27 2007, 09:42 PM) *
and those ignorant criminals who kill the deliverymen over nothing even after they've robbed and taken the food..well lets just say that i hope they burn in hell. because that's just wrong..no it's three levels past wrong. people like that have no respect for human life...and if eveer one of them finally meets their match i hope to all hell that they get what they deserve.

well the thing is that its pretty easy for them. chinese live in chinatown ghettoes, blacks live in black ghettoes. they don't necessarily interact in a meaningful way every day. NYC is pretty segregated of course.

but its not that hard to figure out what they are thinking. they are thinking asians are easy targets, won't complain, and anyways, the tv hates them. why else do u think all your black friends think u are so weird for liking asian music? to them, its unnatural bc asians are just supposed to be quiet nerds. and some blacks (not all) who also think asians are easy targets for robbing when they deliver chinese food.

anyone looking on any asian forum will see numerous news articles about chinese deliverymen being killed in NYC in black ghettoes. you can't deny that the stereotypes exist that asians are supposed to be easy targets.

i dunno, the guy is 16 years old tho. but the statistics do show that violent crime on asians is similiar between blacks and whites. but if he was in NYC when he said that, and heard about all the chinese deliverymen beign killed for 20 bucks, i wouldn't blame a 16 year old for thinking that.

LucasBunny
Mar 28 2007, 01:12 AM

(rahrah @ Mar 27 2007, 10:57 PM) *
well the thing is that its pretty easy for them. chinese live in chinatown ghettoes, blacks live in black ghettoes. they don't necessarily interact in a meaningful way every day. NYC is pretty segregated of course.

but its not that hard to figure out what they are thinking. they are thinking asians are easy targets, won't complain, and anyways, the tv hates them. why else do u think all your black friends think u are so weird for liking asian music? to them, its unnatural bc asians are just supposed to be quiet nerds. and some blacks (not all) who also think asians are easy targets for robbing when they deliver chinese food.

anyone looking on any asian forum will see numerous news articles about chinese deliverymen being killed in NYC in black ghettoes. they are supposed to be easy targets.

i dunno, the guy is 16 years old tho. but the statistics do show that violent crime on asians is similiar between blacks and whites. but if he was in NYC when he said that, and heard about all the chinese deliverymen beign killed for 20 bucks, i wouldn't blame a 16 year old for thinking that.

He was in California when he said that.

But he shouldnt have blurted that out on a show where he can be heard
when he knows that he has african american fans.

It was very inappropriate
and about his age.

Why do people make excuses for his behavior because of his age??
Suengri is not a baby nor is he an idiot.

I remember soompiers where saying bad things about those two little
white supremacist girls, and they are younger than Suengri
but there age didnt matter, why is it different with Suengri?

But since people bring his age into this,
we are his elders, so we want him to understand the mistake he made so he doesnt make it again, but we were labled as bad guys.

rahrah
Mar 28 2007, 01:28 AM

(LucasBunny @ Mar 27 2007, 10:12 PM) *
He was in California when he said that.

But he shouldnt have blurted that out on a show where he can be heard
when he knows that he has african american fans.

It was very inappropriate
and about his age.

Why do people make excuses for his behavior because of his age??
Suengri is not a baby nor is he an idiot.

I remember soompiers where saying bad things about those two little
white supremacist girls, and they are younger than Suengri
but there age didnt matter, why is it different with Suengri?

But since people bring his age into this,
we are his elders, so we want him to understand the mistake he made so he doesnt make it again, but we were labled as bad guys.

well then that is pretty messed up. his management is just trying to protect the guy. even tho ice cube did release his song about "Black Korea" that was pretty racist and helped stroke sentiments that led to the 1992 Riots, he did apologize afterwards, but only after Korean grocers banded together and threatened to stop carrying a liquor brand that paid Ice Cube. The only reason he apologized was because of money he might lose.

if u feel that bad about it, then the only way is to do the same thing. but the management could have easily just had him write you guys to apologize. i'd blame the management more than him for the way it was handled bc it does seem like it was handled poorly.

as for those 12 year old white supremacist girls, i blame their parents more than them.

and you know what i wrote about NYC is correct tho. where was he changing tho? was it in NYC? its kind of hard for me to believe u expect others to admit all these wrong doings when u can't admit yourself the stereotypes that exist in NYC too.

JuicyFruit21
Mar 28 2007, 01:32 AM
**ash i think he was in Korea when he made that remark...and he was in Cali..or NY when the whole van thing happened....

(rahrah @ Mar 28 2007, 12:57 AM) *
well the thing is that its pretty easy for them. chinese live in chinatown ghettoes, blacks live in black ghettoes. they don't necessarily interact in a meaningful way every day. NYC is pretty segregated of course.

but its not that hard to figure out what they are thinking. they are thinking asians are easy targets, won't complain, and anyways, the tv hates them. why else do u think all your black friends think u are so weird for liking asian music? to them, its unnatural bc asians are just supposed to be quiet nerds. and some blacks (not all) who also think asians are easy targets for robbing when they deliver chinese food.

anyone looking on any asian forum will see numerous news articles about chinese deliverymen being killed in NYC in black ghettoes. you can't deny that the stereotypes exist that asians are supposed to be easy targets.

i dunno, the guy is 16 years old tho. but the statistics do show that violent crime on asians is similiar between blacks and whites. but if he was in NYC when he said that, and heard about all the chinese deliverymen beign killed for 20 bucks, i wouldn't blame a 16 year old for thinking that.

.....they don't think i'm weird for listening to it because it's Asian...they think it's weird because they think i don't understand it...but when they find out that i can speak enough korean to know what i'm listening to...they actually think it's pretty cool..and they wanna listen too. also, many of my black friends are bi and trilingual. so it's more of a surprise when they find me listening (because they only hear me speak english....they even freaked out when they overheard me speaking spanish..lol)

nobody is denying they stereotypes against asians (and of course on an asian forum you'll see tons and tons of articles highlighting the wrong doings of any race other than asians..against asians....because well...face it. to some asians, this helps fuel the whole ''we are better'' mentality that some have.

the same if you go onto a black forum. you'll mainly see all the evils done by other races. same as on a white forum..its human nature.

as for him being in NYC and saying that..that's just ridiculous. because he's met black ppl before (his choreographer is black) so for him to say that upon going back to Korea..is kinda like wtf?

i could see if he'd met a violent black person to back up his stereotype..then i would say well he's only going by what he knows..but he's not..he's going by what he hears..which is pretty dumb if you ask me....

[ramble] i remember once in high school there was this Chinese kid (who was from Puerto Rico) and we were all talking about how bizarre it was that he was Chinese, but technically he was Puerto Rican and he made a comment about how he's glad he wasn't from China because they chop up the stray cats on the streets and feed them to us (these were his words) and one Chinese girl in our group asked him had he ever seen it..his answer no. she asked did he know anybody personally who did it..his answer no. and she pretty much embarrassed the hell out of him for believing that bullshit and honestly it made him look like a real ass.....because this is only stuff he heard while growing up in PR and when he moved to NY he got his feelings hurt...haha [/ramble]

LucasBunny
Mar 28 2007, 01:37 AM

(rahrah @ Mar 27 2007, 11:28 PM) *
well then that is pretty messed up. his management is just trying to protect the guy. even tho ice cube did release his song about "Black Korea" that was pretty racist and helped stroke sentiments that led to the 1992 Riots, he did apologize afterwards, but only after Korean grocers banded together and threatened to stop carrying a liquor brand that paid Ice Cube. The only reason he apologized was because of money he might lose.

if u feel that bad about it, then the only way is to do the same thing. but the management could have easily just had him write you guys to apologize. i'd blame the management more than him for the way it was handled bc it does seem like it was handled poorly.

as for those 12 year old white supremacist girls, i blame their parents more than them.

and you know what i wrote about NYC is correct tho. where was he changing tho? was it in NYC? its kind of hard for me to believe u expect others to admit all these wrong doings when u can't admit yourself the stereotypes that exist in NYC too.

My bad he was in korea when he said that
but he was in California when he was changing his clothing in that van.

I never said these stereotypes don't exist in NYC, I live in NYC
I live in the ghetto, so I know.

But I'm not denying anything that goes on there.
But remember all black people are not like that and it's not just black people pulling triggers.

Hispanics, white, even asians do it as well
and all parts of new york are not like that either.

But with other ethnicities, especially white peope (no offense) the wrong they do gets swept under the rug
look how many white men run around america raping females and molesting children, look how many white police officers get away with murder for the wrong reasons.
But people always jump the gun on black people.

rahrah
Mar 28 2007, 01:46 AM

(JuicyFruit21 @ Mar 27 2007, 10:32 PM) *
**ash i think he was in Korea when he made that remark...and he was in Cali..or NY when the whole van thing happened....unsure.gif
.....they don't think i'm weird for listening to it because it's Asian...they think it's weird because they think i don't understand it...but when they find out that i can speak enough korean to know what i'm listening to...they actually think it's pretty cool..and they wanna listen too. also, many of my black friends are bi and trilingual. so it's more of a surprise when they find me listening (because they only hear me speak english....they even freaked out when they overheard me speaking spanish..lol)

nobody is denying they stereotypes against asians (and of course on an asian forum you'll see tons and tons of articles highlighting the wrong doings of any race other than asians..against asians....because well...face it. to some asians, this helps fuel the whole ''we are better'' mentality that some have.

the same if you go onto a black forum. you'll mainly see all the evils done by other races. same as on a white forum..its human nature.

as for him being in NYC and saying that..that's just ridiculous. because he's met black ppl before (his choreographer is black) so for him to say that upon going back to Korea..is kinda like wtf?

i could see if he'd met a violent black person to back up his stereotype..then i would say well he's only going by what he knows..but he's not..he's going by what he hears..which is pretty dumb if you ask me....

[ramble] i remember once in high school there was this Chinese kid (who was from Puerto Rico) and we were all talking about how bizarre it was that he was Chinese, but technically he was Puerto Rican and he made a comment about how he's glad he wasn't from China because they chop up the stray cats on the streets and feed them to us (these were his words) and one Chinese girl in our group asked him had he ever seen it..his answer no. she asked did he know anybody personally who did it..his answer no. and she pretty much embarrassed the hell out of him for believing that bullshit and honestly it made him look like a real ass.....because this is only stuff he heard while growing up in PR and when he moved to NY he got his feelings hurt...haha [/ramble]

^ when a 16 year old kid in korea talks to adults, he reverts mentally back to his elementary school days out of respect. kids say the darndest things sometimes.

when i was a little kid and visited NYC with my mom, she said that we went to teh department store, i never saw a black person before, so i went up to a black lady at the counter and said " excuse me, how come you don't wash your face?" i just didn't know any better as a little kid. my mom apologized profusely for me, and said she bought hella makeup from that lady just to show how much she was sorry. i get shocked every time i hear that story about myself. but yeah, i guess that really happened.

my mom handled it for me of course. in this case, his management should have handled it better.

(LucasBunny @ Mar 27 2007, 10:37 PM) *
My bad he was in korea when he said that
but he was in California when he was changing his clothing in that van.

I never said these stereotypes don't exist in NYC, I live in NYC
I live in the ghetto, so I know.

But I'm not denying anything that goes on there.
But remember all black people are not like that and it's not just black people pulling triggers.

Hispanics, white, even asians do it as well
and all parts of new york are not like that either.

but its blacks killing the chinese deliverymen. you can say black on black violence is even bigger than black on asian violence, but you know that it is stereotypes that these guys have about asians that make it easier for them to target asians. thats just a fact. i really don't think u understand how much more you hear this from nyc than anywhere else in the US (at least right now, it might be somewhere else in 2 years)

Mick
Mar 28 2007, 01:50 AM
Everyone is racist and a hypocrite. I guess I just learned to grow thick skin growing up since I'm apparently the man. People are stupid.

LucasBunny
Mar 28 2007, 02:01 AM

(Mick @ Mar 27 2007, 11:50 PM) *
Everyone is racist and a hypocrite. I guess I just learned to grow thick skin growing up since I'm apparently the man. People are stupid.

Please do not even bring that mess in this thread.

I asked not to bash.

JuicyFruit21
Mar 28 2007, 02:03 AM

(LucasBunny @ Mar 28 2007, 02:01 AM) *
Please do not even bring that mess in this thread.

I asked not to bash.

i don't think he was bashing..because it's pretty much true..everybody at one point or another is racist and hypocritical. is it right, no, but it is life..., but i think if that person offends and gets called on it they should own up to their mistake. i think that he should have elaborated more on what he meant, but i don't think he was bashing.

LucasBunny
Mar 28 2007, 02:07 AM

(JuicyFruit21 @ Mar 28 2007, 12:03 AM) *
i don't think he was bashing..because it's pretty much true..everybody at one point or another is racist and hypocritical, but i think if that person offends and gets called on it they should own up to their mistake. i think that he should have elaborated more on what he meant, but i don't think he was bashing.

OOPPSS!

I was confused cuz all saw was "Everyone is stupid"

I think ur right so my mistake smile.gif

But yes people should own up to there mistakes
Rosie finally owned up to hers (read her blog) and people had every right to be upset
about that.

But some people seem to think that what they see in the media is a good enough excuse for racist remarks.

rahrah
Mar 28 2007, 02:23 AM

(LucasBunny @ Mar 27 2007, 11:07 PM) *
But some people seem to think that what they see in the media is a good enough excuse for racist remarks.

nah its not excusable. im just saying that stereotyping leading to bigger things goes both ways.

he's just saying whats on his mind. he probably doesn't even know its wrong to say that bc he really felt that way. there are other instances of korean singers who are more aware of these things overseas, I forgot who it ws, but some korean singer did a tribute to michael jackson after all that pedophile stuff went down, bc they thought it was racially motivated that michael jackson was being bashed. in the drama all in, that girl's best friend in america was a black girl. the impression u got was that black people are friendly. because of the bubble sisters, people are more aware of stuff like this in korea and complain about it, like what happened recently in chat with beauties.

also, if u go to africa, its made for africans cus its like 99.9% african. if u go to korea, its like 99.9% korean. America is a country built on immigration (sometimes involuntary) so you can't really apply the same standard to both and you can't bring whats over there to here and put that on whats going on here. but on a personal emotional level, it was handled poorly. even if he got your letters, and he wanted to apologize in an email, its his management that controls everything he does publicity wise. i still think the management just handled you're guys' complaints poorly.

chairmanK
Mar 28 2007, 04:01 AM
I don't know anything about the facts of this case, but based on the information that you've provided, I think that you're totally justified in feeling angry about this statement by the member of BigBang. However, I would suggest that you direct most of your anger not at Seungri personally, but instead at Korean society as a whole. What Seungri said is wrong, but he only said it because his statement was acceptable in Korean society. Even my own parents, who have lived in the United States for most of my life, continue to assume that most black people are lazy, criminal, stupid, etc. As Mick pointed out, "everyone's a little bit racist, sometimes" (Avenue Q, anyone? happy.gif). The important thing is to know enough to be ashamed when you catch yourself inadvertently making racist assumptions. Sadly, a lot of Koreans aren't even aware that they ought to be ashamed of their own racist assumptions.

As for Masta Wu using the N-word: I think that he should be held to the same standard as black performers who use the N-word. Intent matters; the N-word is not always racist. I don't think that the race of the speaker should make a difference in this respect. I once got into an argument with someone about whether it was racist for Quentin Tarantino to say the N-word in Pulp Fiction. The person I was arguing with thought it was plain racist; I thought that it was vulgar (the same way that the F-word is vulgar), but not racist in the context of the film.

damnalky
Mar 28 2007, 10:13 AM
I remeber reading about Seungri's incident a while back. What he said was ignorant, but I do believe it's truly because he's still very young and naive, he really doesn't know any better. You think a public figure who knows better would portrait himself as a racist on TV? You do have every right to feel angry, but you have to try to understand the fact that there are people who really just doesn't know any better, wether it's by choice or otherwise.

I find it very odd that YG will issue a response as such as " you're not korean, so your opinions doesn't matter & you're not even real fans". If that's the case, then indeed it was very rude and he should appologize. However, I don't think YG is responsible for issuing an appology for what Seungri said, the apporpriate action would've been Seungri saying he's sorry for making such an ignorant remark.

jurassic5
Mar 28 2007, 10:25 AM

(damnalky @ Mar 28 2007, 10:13 AM) *
I find it very odd that YG will issue a response as such as " you're not korean, so your opinions doesn't matter & you're not even real fans.

YG at it's finest.

LucasBunny
Mar 28 2007, 10:44 AM
Lol I doubt that YG would issue that type of response as well
I highly doubt it.

I still love YG, but I just think they should have been released a statement like Tiffany said
if they issue it now, it's going to seem like they don't wanna look bad for Se7en's debut.

I agree with u Damnalky
and thanx people for a civilized discussion

JaiNYc
Mar 28 2007, 10:51 AM
I don't think you were overreacting. I think expressing your concerns the way you did was the right way to approach things.

I understand that there are many crimes against Asians in the US. I understand that there is still alot of negative stereotypes against Asians in the US. I understand that there isn't a large Black community in Korea. I understand that people who grew up in Korea may be sheltered from different cultures and ethnicities. etc etc etc...

It's still not an excuse and what's wrong is wrong.

TrungyBoi
Mar 28 2007, 11:16 AM

(LucasBunny @ Mar 27 2007, 11:34 PM) *
So was this ignorant of the two artists??
or were we just overreacting???

Same question with the "Rosie incident"

Was this ignorance? Yes, this was complete ignorance by two artists who probably had very little interaction with black Americans. Does their little interactions give them any kind of excuse? Absolutely not.

The reason why I admire black Americans is because black Americans stand up for themselves. They give themselves a voice, something that ethnicity minorities in America should do for themselves. I would like to think that if there were something said about black people that were unjust, those black people would stand up for themselves and fight this unjust stereotypical thought of blacks in America.

I said the same exact thing about Asian Americans after Rosie's comment, and I will not turn my words backwards just because the situation is different.

clockwatcher
Mar 28 2007, 12:27 PM
Everybody likes to blame Hollywood (even though these days, there are positive portrayals of African Americans in movies and on television) but I do wonder.

Because even on this site, there are people who've been exposed to other cultures outside of television and still write very silly things.

And just because you've had little interractions with other groups, you should still use common sense and think before you talk.

I don't think it's an overreaction. I don't know who these artists nor am I offended by their comments because I am aware that the world is full of racists and I prefer to ignore them but it's definitely within your rights and natural to be pissed at them.

Lucasbunny (and anyone who can answer this):

In response to this:

QUOTE
I know many black people say it in there songs, but when people from a forgein label start saying things like that it's bad, especially when they are trying to bring there artists out in america.

So as an African in America, we do get subject to being called the N word when used as a racial slur. I mean, if they are going to be racist and insult us, they aren't going to ask if we are immigrants or whatever nor do they care. However, some African artists do use the word (ending with an "a") in their songs in a positive way to mean "brother/friend" but from reading some youtube comments lol, I see some AA are offended by Africans using the term. From your experience, do you know if the general perception is that it should only be uttered by African Americans and not other black people? Sorry... I know I am kinda going OT.

orphannies
Mar 28 2007, 02:31 PM
I don't think you were overreacting. Was it ignorant for both artists? Simply put "a big fat YES!"

But being ignorant about something is never an excuse. I don't know who this artist is but his ignorance nor age shouldn't be used as an excuse for his comments.

I mean c'mon if you're making your living based off (or strongly influenced) by another's culture (i.e. hip hop and r&B) at least show some respect for that culture. Be educated enough to know about the culture and not to make a dumb generalization like that. just my 2 cents.

mrs. pakman
Mar 28 2007, 06:15 PM
yes...i agree with most of you who already replied that it was an ignorant remark. i think that when you're a public figure dealing with the media...you have to be very careful about what you say.

but i'm not particularly upset about what he said about black people. i feel like when you hear some ignorant statement like that, it's an opportunity to help open up their mind a little bit by explaining why a statement like that's wrong and that it's extremely racist and prejudice. i'm not saying that it's acceptable for him to go around saying stuff like that, just that this is where we can really teach someone a lesson.

what really does upset me is how the record company dealt with the situation. why are they defending the situation when it's clearly wrong? they should have apologized and taken steps to educate themselves.

Petite_Mal
Mar 28 2007, 06:57 PM
Maybe some people will think this is overkill, but if I were you, I would send YG another letter only this time with an organization like the NAACP involved. I think that's the best way to get official recognition. Nothing threatening or hostile, just something along the lines being disappointed with YG's reaction (or lack of) to one of their artist's blatantly racist remarks.

Even though this is a Korean artist speaking to Korean people, I think the NAACP would still be interested as both Suengri and YG make their money by exploiting aspects of African-American culture to the Korean public. It's horrible, hypocritical, and very irresponsible for these "representatives" to perpetuate such negative stereotypes -relations between the two groups are somewhat strained as it is. THANK GOD not very many African Americans listen to "ni-gga" laden K-pop songs, or it'd be even worse.

Anyway, as many others have said, his comments were very, very ignorant, so I don't think you should back down. People have also been saying that this is a time for education, but the only way for this to happen is if someone makes Seungri and YG realize how offensive those comments were. And again, I think a polite, but concerned letter, e-mail, etc. with a NAACP letterhead would be a good start.

JuicyFruit21
Mar 28 2007, 06:57 PM

(clockwatcher @ Mar 28 2007, 12:27 PM) *
Lucasbunny (and anyone who can answer this):

In response to this:
So as an African in America, we do get subject to being called the N word when used as a racial slur. I mean, if they are going to be racist and insult us, they aren't going to ask if we are immigrants or whatever nor do they care. However, some African artists do use the word (ending with an "a") in their songs in a positive way to mean "brother/friend" but from reading some youtube comments lol, I see some AA are offended by Africans using the term. From your experience, do you know if the general perception is that it should only be uttered by African Americans and not other black people? Sorry... I know I am kinda going OT.

i've thought about this as well...

as for AA's being offended by Africans using the word...i (as a black woman) find that very strange...because for one, they do not get upset when Hispanic people say it (at least here in the Bronx)..and even the Puerto Ricans and Dominicans will refer to themselves as ''Negro''..even if they are of fair complexion....one Dominican guy explained to me that its considered somewhat of a compliment..especially for women (ex: Alejandro Sans saying in Shakira's song: ''Oye mi Negra'' >>>Listen my hello kitty) what made me very confused about this is that he also told me that in DR they are very racists towards Haiti..with whom they share the island....yet dark skinned people are sought after...but only if they are Dominican..lol its weird...

anyway, like i said AAs who get offended by Africans using the word with the 'a' ending is bizarre...and even tho i personally feel NOBODY should say it at all, the logic of those people is kinda skewed..lol

like i said about my feelings toward the word..i guess it comes from my upbringing..i never ever heard my parents say it, my classmates didn't say it nor did my friends at home....so when i got older and moved to a mainly white town and was literally the ONLY black female in school when i was called that (plus the ever lovely ''bit.ch'') it really was worse than somebody slapping me in my face..because i'd never seen myself as anything less than human, but being called out like that it..iono..

ever since then i'd get really pissed at ignorant people who use it in everday language because they don't know the true meaning of the word i feel...i feel like they haven't felt the sting that the word has when said in the context that it was invented...and i seriously think those who use the ''we're making it into a positive'' line are in denial...and that they are naive. *shrugs*

because if you think about it...you dont ever hear an asian saying those negative things to each other seriously in everyday convo...nor do you hear hispanics calling each other derogatory names in comraderie (sp?) and i've never once in my life heard Jewish people call each other out of their names....so...yeah. i just think it's going to take some more time until the Black Community wakes up and realizes that we're just shooting ourselves in the foot. lol

i also agree with mrs. pakman and the others who say that we shouldn't be upset with Seungri.....actually we weren't upset with him in the beginning or with YG...i think the anger came about from other people telling us rude things (like the ones Ash mentioned)...then the anger was somehow shifted from those interactions back onto YG. i also think that the way they handled the situation is rather unprofessional...because we know they've seen the letters (which were all respectfully written) and it seemed as tho they were ignoring our concerns. (however we did get some news months later from our Korean friend that they apologized for taking so long to acknowledge us, and they are dealing with it ''internally'') but i still feel that if the apology comes within months or weeks of Se7en's US debut....well i would be naive to question it's sincerity.....

chairmanK
Mar 28 2007, 10:52 PM

(JuicyFruit21 @ Mar 28 2007, 03:57 PM) *
because if you think about it...you dont ever hear an asian saying those negative things to each other seriously in everyday convo...nor do you hear hispanics calling each other derogatory names in comraderie (sp?) and i've never once in my life heard Jewish people call each other out of their names....so...yeah.

Some of my Jewish friends call each other by rude ethnic slurs and make ironic self-referential jokes about the "damn Jews" ruining the world. I think it depends on the sort of crowd you hang out with.

And I have one Asian friend who habitually calls me "chink" (and I also refer to him as "my chink"). But this is an unusual joke between the two of us; I agree that it's atypical for Asians for say such things in ordinary conversation.

jurassic5
Mar 28 2007, 11:02 PM
YG probably will not make a formal apology unless provoked to...or as some have alluded, when 7 debuts here in the states and the NAACP catches wind of the incident and applies pressure to the label etc etc....

more irony concerning YG:

YG owned clubs in Korea charge foreigners an extra $5-10 in cover charge.....why? simply because they are not native Koreans. the irony.....YG is attempting to be a worldwide entertainment company. note to YG: inflation of prices due to one's passport isn't usually well received in the Western world....

LucasBunny
Mar 28 2007, 11:08 PM

(jurassic5 @ Mar 28 2007, 09:02 PM) *
YG probably will not make a formal apology unless provoked to...or as some have alluded, if when 7 debuts here in the states and the NAACP catches wind of the incident etc etc....
more irony concerning YG:

YG owned clubs in Korea charge foreigners an extra $5-10 in cover charge.....why? simply because they are not native Koreans. the irony.....YG is attempting to be a worldwide entertainment company.

I did not know tha
wow!

Guess u learn something new each day
well hopefully things will change

I don't wanna turn anyone against YG or make them hate YG because of one person's mistake.

JuicyFruit21
Mar 28 2007, 11:09 PM

(jurassic5 @ Mar 28 2007, 11:02 PM) *
YG probably will not make a formal apology unless provoked to...or as some have alluded, if when 7 debuts here in the states and the NAACP catches wind of the incident etc etc....
more irony concerning YG:

YG owned clubs in Korea charge foreigners an extra $5-10 in cover charge.....why? simply because they are not native Koreans. the irony.....YG is attempting to be a worldwide entertainment company.

wow really? that's jacked up...man juassic5..the more you talk the less respect i have for YG as a businessman....crazy. as much as i hope these things arent true....... mellow.gif i somehow believe them...one soompier who's studying in Korea as we speak said they were denied access to a nightclub flat out..because they were foreigners....like there was a sign on the door saying NO FOREIGNERS..which is very reminiscent of the old Jim Crow laws of the south...i wouldn't be surprised if some of the clubs that allow foreigners had separate bathrooms and seating areas...

jurassic5
Mar 28 2007, 11:15 PM
well, i haven't lived in Korea since 2005....but during my time there, numerous clubs in Hongdae charged foreigners extra...mainly because they wanted to try and keep the military guys out..or to a minimum.

i just find some of the things that YG does and the way they present themselves at times "interesting".

granted..they know how to market and sell albums in Korea....but will this translate into the Western world?????

suggestion: make all artists that are crossing-over brush up on that country's culture (pop culture included) and attitudes (this may have made the original incident not happen?).

LucasBunny
Mar 28 2007, 11:56 PM
Wow Jurassic5 you gotz sum knowledge dude!

I think I've been thinking about this way too much
since the day I found out, cuz tonight I had a dream about BigBang lol wacko.gif

clockwatcher
Mar 29 2007, 02:38 AM
juicyfruit21, thanks so much for your very detailed and thoughtful response. I personally don't like the word but don't think it's offensive it in certain contexts but I agree with what you're saying.

Interesting about foreigners getting charged extra... in some countries, they get in for free. Not that either is better.

rahrah
Mar 29 2007, 04:10 AM

(jurassic5 @ Mar 28 2007, 08:02 PM) *
note to YG: inflation of prices due to one's passport isn't usually well received in the Western world....

well, unless u count international student tuition rates. usually 3-4X higher for int'l students at public universities in america.

also, that extra charge was bc girls would go to a different club bc they go to meet korean guys, if the girls leave, then no guys who buy drinks. club owners get less money.

in general, foreigner's experience in korea is directly correlated with how much korean they learn. the more they learn, the more they enjoy it.

suggestion: make all artists that are crossing-over brush up on that country's culture (pop culture included) and attitudes (this may have made the original incident not happen?).

i agree 100%

JaiNYc
Mar 29 2007, 10:54 AM

(jurassic5 @ Mar 28 2007, 11:15 PM) *
well, i haven't lived in Korea since 2005....but during my time there, numerous clubs in Hongdae charged foreigners extra...mainly because they wanted to try and keep the military guys out..or to a minimum.

Why do they try to keep the military guys out?

BoSoxdirtdog
Mar 29 2007, 12:23 PM

(rahrah @ Mar 29 2007, 04:10 AM) *
in general, foreigner's experience in korea is directly correlated with how much korean they learn. the more they learn, the more they enjoy it.

I didn't learn a lick of Korean when I was at Yonsei. I had the best time in my life.

rahrah
Mar 29 2007, 12:29 PM

(BoSoxdirtdog @ Mar 29 2007, 09:23 AM) *
I didn't learn a lick of Korean when I was at Yonsei. I had the best time in my life.

eh. come on now. yonsei IDE and i house is an isolated community for the most part.

thats why i said in general... lol

JuicyFruit21
Mar 29 2007, 01:26 PM

(rahrah @ Mar 29 2007, 04:10 AM) *
well, unless u count international student tuition rates. usually 3-4X higher for int'l students at public universities in america.

that doesn't count..because they charge extra if you are an out-of-state enrollee as well. tuition rates do not really count in this instance. if you were to go study anywhere other than your native state then you can expect to pay extra. that's just what it is. you can't compare tuition rates for something important like education to something trivial and clearly biased as raising the prices for foreigners to enter a club. i'm sure if i were to go study in France my tuition would be slightly higher than that of a native French student.

rahrah
Mar 29 2007, 02:00 PM

(JuicyFruit21 @ Mar 29 2007, 10:26 AM) *
that doesn't count..because they charge extra if you are an out-of-state enrollee as well. tuition rates do not really count in this instance. if you were to go study anywhere other than your native state then you can expect to pay extra. that's just what it is. you can't compare tuition rates for something important like education to something trivial and clearly biased as raising the prices for foreigners to enter a club. i'm sure if i were to go study in France my tuition would be slightly higher than that of a native French student.

im disagreeing with the the way he worded it, this is what he said:

note to YG: inflation of prices due to one's passport isn't usually well received in the Western world....

so according to the way this is worded, it is clearly wrong. if u have a foreign passport, u pay higher tuitions. Usually int'l tuition is higher than out of state tuition. People can change their state residency relatively easily.

But the way he worded that statement is clearly wrong. there is inflation due to passports. and it is well received. it is what it is.

as for my personal stance on the issue, i could care less since im not int'l student. so it doesn't affect me. im more pissed about my taxes going to red states anyways. but im not talking about my personal stance, im talking about the accuracy of that statement.

btw, if US had a Korean military base stationed in the US, and those Korean military soldiers were known for frequenting American bars and raping women, grandmas, assaulting etc... I would be fine with them being charged higher entrance fees to protect women.

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200...23431311990.htm

if anyone wants to read that news article about a US military serviceman, raping and beating a 67 year old Korean woman in broad daylight, go ahead.

chairmanK
Mar 29 2007, 02:00 PM

(rahrah @ Mar 29 2007, 01:10 AM) *
well, unless u count international student tuition rates. usually 3-4X higher for int'l students at public universities in america.

But unlike the definition of "international student" (based on one's passport), the definition of "foreigner" at clubs (and bathhouses, bars, etc.) in Korea can be suspiciously subjective. People who with Korean racial features are usually more welcome than people with non-Korean racial features who live in Korea. Imagine a person affiliated with the U.S. Army who is married to a Korean woman and whose mixed-race children speak Korean at home. (Rare, but these marriages do sometimes happen!) At one of these foreigner-exclusive clubs, this person would be forced to pay extra cover charge because he is a "foreigner", no matter how well he speaks Korean. Whereas an overseas ethnic Korean, like myself, would be waved through because I look like a native-born Korean. I imagine that even some Japanese or Chinese would be treated as Koreans, not foreigners.

rahrah
Mar 29 2007, 02:15 PM

(chairmanK @ Mar 29 2007, 11:00 AM) *
But unlike the definition of "international student" (based on one's passport), the definition of "foreigner" at clubs (and bathhouses, bars, etc.) in Korea can be suspiciously subjective. People who with Korean racial features are usually more welcome than people with non-Korean racial features who live in Korea. Imagine a person affiliated with the U.S. Army who is married to a Korean woman and whose mixed-race children speak Korean at home. (Rare, but these marriages do sometimes happen!) At one of these foreigner-exclusive clubs, this person would be forced to pay extra cover charge because he is a "foreigner", no matter how well he speaks Korean. Whereas an overseas ethnic Korean, like myself, would be waved through because I look like a native-born Korean. I imagine that even some Japanese or Chinese would be treated as Koreans, not foreigners.

im not taking a stance on it. im just disagreeing with the accuracy of that statement that passport status being a determinant of prices is not looked upon favorably in western countries.

btw, although many more instances of Korean grandmothers being raped/killed/beaten etc... by US servicemen, I think in general, rapes have gone down since US military bases have had brothels installed near the US bases. Many of the brothel's are serviced by SE Asian women, Russian women, and Eastern European women. Their service does help stem the rape of Korean women outside the bases. So in a way, Koreans should be grateful for those US military brothels.

clockwatcher
Mar 29 2007, 02:56 PM

Usually int'l tuition is higher than out of state tuition. People can change their state residency relatively easily.

Well, at my school, International tuition was the same as out-of-state tuition. In other countries like England, international tuition is much higher than native tuition because taxpayer money is being used to pay for the native tuition.

think in general, rapes have gone down since US military bases have had brothels installed near the US bases. Many of the brothel's are serviced by SE Asian women, Russian women, and Eastern European women. Their service does help stem the rape of Korean women outside the bases. So in a way, Koreans should be grateful for those US military brothels

Wow... so is the logic that men rape because they can't find prostitutes? lol So how come a lot of idiots rape prostitutes? I honestly can't believe that you said that women should be happy that there are brothels because they are less likely to be raped!

And where are you getting these statistics from? And how do you know that the number of rapes haven't gone done for another reason?

rahrah
Mar 29 2007, 03:00 PM
^ I didn't say women should be happy. I said Koreans should be happy about military brothels around US Army bases. That includes both Korean men and women. I have relatives in Korea. I never said that applies to all brothels or all prostitutes. Just the ones around the US Army bases.

Also, rapes might have gone up. I was just guessing. Now that you mention it, it is possible that rapes around US military bases have been going up. Either way, Im glad military brothels exist in Korea for US Army bases. Im sure they are glad too.

btw, i hope this guy gets the death penalty.

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200...23431311990.htm

I hope you can agree this is wrong.

tian`tian
Mar 29 2007, 03:05 PM
Just wanted to make a comment about the guy's age. I'm not a fan of BigBang, I don't know them, haven't listened to any of their music, etc. But just hearing his comment about getting shot reminds me of my cousin.

Honestly, Asians from Asia, like people have said have very little exposure to people of other races, and all they see is from the media or what they hear in music. My cousin who is around that age, seriously thinks that college life and student life in the US is like what he sees in American Pie. When my other cousin, who lived in Asia but came here for college, went back, he asked her that exact question. And she denied it obviously, but he still believes it. He listens to a lot of rap/r&b music, and from the lyrics, he also believes that most black people are "gangsta" like that.

What the guy [Seungri?] said is not right in any way, but I can also understand why he said it. YG should have apologized though. And about your comment of how "these people" were the ones who complained about the Rosie incident, etc. I don't think they were. They probably didn't even hear about it.

jurassic5
Mar 29 2007, 06:01 PM

(rahrah @ Mar 29 2007, 02:00 PM) *
But the way he worded that statement is clearly wrong. there is inflation due to passports. and it is well received. it is what it is.

since you're being technical about my statement....i ask that you read this definition of usually:

normally: under normal conditions

does this mean 100% of the time? no....thus allowing for instances that may happen outside of these conditions such as your example (whether it is similar or not).

as for being overseas korean and getting allowed in to establishments that charge foreigners more.....once they see your alien registration card, you pay the difference.

anyways, back on topic...i guess we all agree that all parties involved in the incident were wrong.

LucasBunny
Mar 30 2007, 01:27 AM

(tian`tian @ Mar 29 2007, 01:05 PM) *
What the guy [Seungri?] said is not right in any way, but I can also understand why he said it. YG should have apologized though. And about your comment of how "these people" were the ones who complained about the Rosie incident, etc. I don't think they were. They probably didn't even hear about it.

Actually some of them were
and they did hear about it cuz I saw it.

LucasBunny
Mar 30 2007, 01:43 AM

(clockwatcher @ Mar 29 2007, 12:56 PM) *
Wow... so is the logic that men rape because they can't find prostitutes? lol So how come a lot of idiots rape prostitutes? I honestly can't believe that you said that women should be happy that there are brothels because they are less likely to be raped!

And where are you getting these statistics from? And how do you know that the number of rapes haven't gone done for another reason?

I agree 100%

Where did the subject rape come from anyway???

Women should not happy that they are brothels
and it doesnt give them a less chance of getting raped!

rahrah
Mar 30 2007, 12:49 PM

(LucasBunny @ Mar 29 2007, 10:43 PM) *
I agree 100%

Where did the subject rape come from anyway???

Women should not happy that they are brothels
and it doesnt give them a less chance of getting raped!

http://www.aprnet.org/index.php?a=show&...rences&i=93

Here is an article about military brothels just for US Army.

A congressional report in Korea estimated that between 1967 and 1987, more than 30,000 crimes were committed by U.S. military personnel against Korean civilians. This included murder, brutal rapes and sexual abuse.

Why don't you protest it. I am sure they will listen to you.

cindel25
Mar 30 2007, 02:39 PM
I think we all agree the comment was wrong and ignorant. The people who I thought were my friends here at soompi did not have my back when I was protesting the issue. One person flat out said "I don't give F..." about the issue. I was really hurt and disappointed.

As you can see from my siggie, I blogged about this incident and I got into a shouting match with a Korean YG Fan at the site. To the point, YG knows about the situation and has yet not made a statement. Tiff and Ash don't know about this but I am taking it a step further and will be mailing my blog(mirror cds and letters) to YG office next month.

As far as Masta Wu goes, I am a fan but I refuse to buy his album because of the song that has a N word. But like Tiff said, it wasn't banned for what we were protesting about. How sad indeed.

To the person who mention Ice Cube "Black Korea"; Tiger Jk from Drunken Tiger was the one who called him out and they had a Hip Hop Summit about the issue. That is when he apologized.

rahrah
Mar 30 2007, 02:45 PM

(cindel25 @ Mar 30 2007, 11:39 AM) *
To the person who mention Ice Cube "Black Korea"; Tiger Jk from Drunken Tiger was the one who called him out and they had a Hip Hop Summit about the issue. That is when he apologized.

haha drunken tiger was around in 92? nah i don't think so.

The Korean American Grocer's Association (KAGRO) joined in and hit Cube where it hurt - his endorsement deal with St. Ides. KAGRO demanded that they drop Cube and when they didn't, they stopped St. Ides from being sold in over 5,000 stores across the country. Ice Cube stepped in and tried to make amends w/ an apology in February of 1992, and both the ban and the boycott were lifted.

it was money that made him apologize. it wasn't sincere. but who really gives a ---- now? not the thread starter, thats for sure.

if u want revenge on them, take it. do it. but don't expect something no one else was willing to do.
(edit: easy on the swears....next time you'll get warned-J5)

cindel25
Mar 30 2007, 02:58 PM

(rahrah @ Mar 30 2007, 02:45 PM) *
haha drunken tiger was around in 92? nah i don't think so.
it was money that made him apologize. it wasn't sincere. but who really gives a phuck now? not the thread starter, thats for sure.

if u want revenge on them, take it. do it. but don't expect something no one else was willing to do.

Tiger JK confirmed this issue himself and you check out the articles.

ETA:

In 1992, rapper Ice Cube released a song called "Black Korea," a song made in response to a shooting of a 15 year old black girl by a Korean shop owner. The song specifically degraded Koreans to what Ice Cube called "Oriental one-penny-countin' motherjohn teshers," but not many from the Korean community responded to the song. After hearing the song, Tiger JK made it his responsibility to show that these stereotypes were untrue and had to be broken. At a hip-hop show that promoted racial harmony, JK spoke his feelings in lyrics rather than a speech...

Revenge? Who is talking revenge? If you do not care, please stay out of the situation. You've made your opinion known.

rahrah
Mar 30 2007, 03:05 PM
^ what year was that hip hop summit? after 92. where was the apology? i don't see it. latasha harlins knocked out a korean lady hitting her 4 times in the face, so the korean lady shot the girl in the back of the head while latasha was walking away. she should have gotten jail time cus of her temper, but she didn't.

u just said ice cube apologized at the hip hop summit. i don't see it. facts are more important than opionions to me. he never apologized outside of the time he did in 92 and that was cus of money.

i could care less but if ur gonna say something has to be done this way and be sincere, then i don't see why it should when historically that wasn't the case. why can't an apology be fake and bc of money? if ur gonna make stuff up about ice cube apologizing at a hip hop summit, then fine. at least admit it.

is a fake apology supposed to be better than no apology? whats ur opinion? i think a fake apology is better than no apology. but in no way, does someone have to make a sincere apology in this case. look at the history.

wateva
Mar 30 2007, 05:05 PM
hhmmm i never heard of these incidences till you pointed them out lucas_bunny, cause im not a big bang fan
indeed we do live in a narrow minded world
but what i dont get is that why would a company like YG who clearly mold and promote their artists take influences (to say the least) from african american artists, but theres no respect from where it came from, and to be so dismissive of your complaint their basically brushing their international fans off as bieng irrelevant to them, when incidently se7en is preparing to debut in the US. im sure this 'verbal slip' will comeback to bite them in the ass and its gonna affect poorly on se7en's image....

and the master wu thing.....he shows such ignorance.....the N word has such dark history behind it, it can be derogatory for people who dont understand it but an empowering word for african americans and he obviously has no idea where the origin of that word came from.

but i remember on the david chapelle show ( that man is funny) where he had a guest, and the man was talking about how, 'everybody wanted to talk black, act black, walk black, becuase its cool, but no one wants to actually Be black' and i think thats true in this scenario and countless others

and the rosie thing while im ranting SHE IS SOOO NOT FUNNY

LucasBunny
Mar 30 2007, 09:11 PM

(cindel25 @ Mar 30 2007, 12:39 PM) *
I think we all agree the comment was wrong and ignorant. The people who I thought were my friends here at soompi did not have my back when I was protesting the issue. One person flat out said "I don't give F..." about the issue. I was really hurt and disappointed.

As you can see from my siggie, I blogged about this incident and I got into a shouting match with a Korean YG Fan at the site. To the point, YG knows about the situation and has yet not made a statement. Tiff and Ash don't know about this but I am taking it a step further and will be mailing my blog(mirror cds and letters) to YG office next month.

As far as Masta Wu goes, I am a fan but I refuse to buy his album because of the song that has a N word. But like Tiff said, it wasn't banned for what we were protesting about. How sad indeed.

To the person who mention Ice Cube "Black Korea"; Tiger Jk from Drunken Tiger was the one who called him out and they had a Hip Hop Summit about the issue. That is when he apologized.

Ahhh Sophia
I couldnt agree more
and I didnt know you were mailing stuffs, why didnt u say so???
Like Sophia I still like Wu, but I dun wanna buy his album
atleast right now because this is getting ignored!
I don't think he meant harm but he know that term is wrong!

(rahrah @ Mar 30 2007, 12:45 PM) *
haha drunken tiger was around in 92? nah i don't think so.
it was money that made him apologize. it wasn't sincere. but who really gives a ---- now? not the thread starter, thats for sure.

if u want revenge on them, take it. do it. but don't expect something no one else was willing to do.
(edit: easy on the swears....next time you'll get warned-J5)

What in the world????
what are you talking about???

who wants to get revenge??

I made it clear in the beginning that no one was out to get YG!
I am still a YG fan!! Just a dissappointed one!
and how do you know what made Ice Cube apologize??? and how do you know what I think???

rahrah
Mar 31 2007, 02:14 PM

(LucasBunny @ Mar 30 2007, 06:11 PM) *
and how do you know what made Ice Cube apologize??? and how do you know what I think???

Its not my words, but various people who did research about it.

http://www.aspeninstitute.org/atf/cf/%7BDE...%7D/5Morgan.pdf

While Ice Cube, African American community representatives and Korean
merchants lobbed charges of censorship and bigotry, only a few Asian
Americans in the hip hop audience protested or participated in the resolution
Within months of the song’s release, Ice
Cube issued an apology to avert a boycott of products he promoted by Korean
storeowners who control convenience stores in South Central Los Angeles.

look at other links if you don't believe me. but don't deny what it is

http://www.google.com/search?hl=ko&new...C%83%89&lr=

a lot of things have happened since then.

Ladyhawke
Apr 1 2007, 11:42 PM
I don't listen to Big Bang, but I can say that the comment was inappropriate. YG needs to step up to the plate and take it on the chin. Their response is unacceptable. Non-Koreans fans deserve respect. We are supportive. Plus respect goes beyond what racial group you are in. Respect is a human right.
The artist should recognize his mistake and seek to understand it. If he will not, YG should take the role of the mentor and embrace the artist and inform him, encourage him to learn from this matter.

Respect your fellow human being, treat them fairly, disagree with them honestly, enjoy their friendship, explore your thoughts about one another candidly, work together for a common goal and help one another achieve it. No destructive lies. No ridiculous fears. No debilitating anger.
Bill Bradley

...

I am not getting into the specifics of the Ice Cube incident but based on my studies in and out of the classroom, a lot of the tension that exists between African Americans and Koreans in LA is simply a matter of existing racial issues, economics, and cultural difference. A lot of businesses left LA and left African Americans hanging, disinfranchised, and torn as a community. Koreans immigrated and sticked together to etch out a life in a foreign land. Some Koreans went back to Korea but others stayed. The ones that stayed worked together to build businesses. Unfortunately, these business replaced many of the businesses African Americans worked in and patronaged. Some of the resentment that built up in the African American community was misdirected, what some saw were another group of people making money off them now and they had very little. Immigrants to some seemed to get more from the government than they did. There were some riffs over housing.

The city and state really didn't do enough to assuage any of the misunderstandings. It should be understood that Koreans opened their stores in poor areas. There is sadly a lot of crime in non-prosperous areas. Koreans became scared and tensions worsened. That incident of the young black girl on top of the Rodney King event escalated tensions and African Americans and Koreans got swept into it.

It's really a sad thing, and I don't live there and I didn't live there during that time. My thoughts are based on a collection of writings from all matters of perspective including Korean immigrants and Korean Americans who have written about the events.

Misunderstandings fuel so much of our problems.

...

Jumping back to the Big Bang member's comments... it doesn't serve to improve relationships between races nor human beings to say what he said.

I am going to write to YG and I am going to Boycott their label until I hear, see, etc an apology. The best way I can show my support for humanity is with my voice and economics.

beloved-shadowqueen
Apr 1 2007, 11:59 PM
I can't believe he would say such a thing.

jurassic5
Apr 2 2007, 12:06 AM

(beloved-shadowqueen @ Apr 1 2007, 11:59 PM) *
I can't believe he would say such a thing.

I can't believe you posted here.

Born Aug-17-1989

please come back and post in 3+ years. Thank You.

the.elephant
Apr 2 2007, 05:56 PM
i didnt have time to read thru all the posts but i will later...

i just wanted to say this... 90% of all crime commited in US is by young male african american. this doesnt mean 90% of african american are criminals.

clockwatcher
Apr 2 2007, 11:16 PM

(the.elephant @ Apr 2 2007, 05:56 PM) *
i just wanted to say this... 90% of all crime commited in US is by young male african american.

Please stop writing such untrue statements.

Ladyhawke
Apr 2 2007, 11:21 PM

(the.elephant @ Apr 2 2007, 03:56 PM) *
i didnt have time to read thru all the posts but i will later...

i just wanted to say this... 90% of all crime commited in US is by young male african american. this doesnt mean 90% of african american are criminals.

I totally agree with clockwatcher. That's uncalled for and not accurate at all.

jurassic5
Apr 2 2007, 11:30 PM

(the.elephant @ Apr 2 2007, 05:56 PM) *
i just wanted to say this... 90% of all crime commited in US is by young male african american.

i just wanted to say this....before you post ignorant and comments, please educate yourself.

In 2005, 69.8 percent of all persons arrested in the United States were white and 27.8 percent were black. The remainder of persons arrested were American Indian or Alaskan Native (1.3 percent) and Asian or Pacific Islander (1.0 percent).

FBI

(consider this a warning for posting ignorant content)

LucasBunny
Apr 2 2007, 11:38 PM

(the.elephant @ Apr 2 2007, 03:56 PM) *
i didnt have time to read thru all the posts but i will later...

i just wanted to say this... 90% of all crime commited in US is by young male african american. this doesnt mean 90% of african american are criminals.

Oh brother where did u get that information?

cindel25
Apr 3 2007, 11:58 AM

(the.elephant @ Apr 2 2007, 05:56 PM) *
i didnt have time to read thru all the posts but i will later...

i just wanted to say this... 90% of all crime commited in US is by young male african american. this doesnt mean 90% of african american are criminals.

i just wanted to say this...YOU ARE IGNORANT. What source did you get this from?

mujisan
Apr 3 2007, 12:31 PM
I know the discussion has somewhat evolved in the last few days, but I'm just going to comment on the original post at this time.

I think the comment by Seungri is indeed offensive and you and your friends are right to feel offended by it. Heck, I feel offended for you! And it is absolutely right to let the powers that be know that you are offended fans. The celebrities are nothing without the support of fans and this incident plus no response from YG or Seungri really gives out a bad message to the fans. It makes it seem like they don't care what the fans think.

I think Seungri's comment is ignorant, not necessarily coming from a racist place. I agree that people from Asian countries have limited exposure to people of African descent, but that is not an excuse nor is Seungri's age of 16. Seungri is old enough to earn a living, therefore he should be able to be responsible for his own actions.

Masta Wu's 'N' word: big no no. Although this has been explained to me by my African American friends, I still don't quite understand the logic. But I do know this is a cultural thing among certain parts of the African American community where it is OK to address each other with the 'N' word, but not OK if said by other races. An example of how cultural research can avoid misunderstandings and ultimately major public faux pas.

Seungri should apologize, especially if he and Big Bang wish to try out the US market.

LucasBunny
Apr 3 2007, 11:39 PM

(mujisan @ Apr 3 2007, 10:31 AM) *
Masta Wu's 'N' word: big no no. Although this has been explained to me by my African American friends, I still don't quite understand the logic. But I do know this is a cultural thing among certain parts of the African American community where it is OK to address each other with the 'N' word, but not OK if said by other races. An example of how cultural research can avoid misunderstandings and ultimately major public faux pas.

Seungri should apologize, especially if he and Big Bang wish to try out the US market.

I feel you

Like I was watching an episode of girlfriends
and they were singing Jay-Z's "H.O.V.A"
and Lynn's white sister was singing along with them
and they were all singing fine until Jay-z says the "N" word and Lynn's sister
says it, but only as the song
everyone got upset at her for singing the song.

I will never understand why some black people find it okay to use that term
but get upset at other races saying it.
But all black people are not like that.

Like I said I'm not offended by that term, if someone called me that
I would probably laugh at there foolishness because I know I'm not an "N" word.

But I know other people are offended by it and I know why and I don't blame them.

monchichi
Apr 4 2007, 01:55 AM
Replying to the first post, I thought the artist's comment was very narrow minded and the company should have had him apoligise publicly.

Even though he's young, I hardly think a comment like that should just be brushed off and ignored. If they continue like this, wouldn't it develop prejudice toward the african-american population amongst Korean residents considering he has celebrity status and holds sway over a lot of his fans?

Everybody makes stupid comments all the time, but they always apologise for it afterwards. He should be no different.

Boo to YG.

And as for the.elephant's comment, I think you have a few screws loose in your head. Please research before you post something so absurd.

dianannsano
Apr 4 2007, 01:09 PM

(the.elephant @ Apr 2 2007, 02:56 PM) *
i didnt have time to read thru all the posts but i will later...

i just wanted to say this... 90% of all crime commited in US is by young male african american. this doesnt mean 90% of african american are criminals.

Dude, what source did you read to get that information? It might be true that a majority of those convicted and end up in jail are ethnic minorities, but that's due to some discrimination in the judicial system.

But I am positive that 90% of all crimes committed in the US are NOT by young male African Americans.

In addition, what about white-collar crime?

cindel25
Apr 6 2007, 10:51 AM
I find it funny how people are quick to bring up the Ice Cube "Black Korea" issue like that makes it ok.

1. Ice Cube was wrong just as Seungri was wrong.

2. Ice Cube has apologize; Seungri and YG have not.

The issue here is personal responsibility. You can say whatever the hell you want but TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR WORDS AND ACTIONS.

rahrah
Apr 6 2007, 01:16 PM

(cindel25 @ Apr 6 2007, 07:51 AM) *
I find it funny how people are quick to bring up the Ice Cube "Black Korea" issue like that makes it ok.

1. Ice Cube was wrong just as Seungri was wrong.

2. Ice Cube has apologize; Seungri and YG have not.

The issue here is personal responsibility. You can say whatever the hell you want but TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR WORDS AND ACTIONS.

when u said people, i think u meant me. i bet u want to shut me up huh? LOL how ironic and funny is that.

ice cube's song eventually helped flame the LA Riots in 1992. 5,000 Korean businesses were burned down, over $1 Billion in damages total. People are still suffering from the LA Riots today. do some research on it.

Most people in Korea, their impression of Black people is from what they saw in the news of the 1992 LA Riots. have u ever heard of 4-29?

All I said is that if they apologize, it doesn't have to be sincere. Ice Cube only apologized because Korean grocers threatened to drop St. Ides' from their stores. St. Ides had a contract with Ice Cube. He would not have apologized otherwise. In other words, it was for money.

No one complained it was insincere tho. But yup. thats what it is.

ice cube's was way worse. much much worse. people died bc of what he said.

cindel25
Apr 6 2007, 01:31 PM
^This is THE FOURTH time "Black Korea" has been brought up in this situation. So please get over yourself.

The song did not flame the L.A. Riots; please educate yourself before making unfounded statements.

The Rodney King verdict was a trigger but also unemployment, racial profiling, abusive treatment by the L.A.P.D and L.A. corrupt political establishment were factors.

ice cube's was way worse. much much worse. people died bc of what he said.

Are you for real?

rahrah
Apr 6 2007, 01:53 PM

(cindel25 @ Apr 6 2007, 10:31 AM) *
^This is THE FOURTH time "Black Korea" has been brought up in this situation. So please get over yourself.

The song did not flame the L.A. Riots; please educate yourself before making unfounded statements.

The Rodney King verdict was a trigger but also unemployment, racial profiling, abusive treatment by the L.A.P.D and L.A. corrupt political establishment were factors.
Are you for real?

wow. at the time, in LA, there was a lot of tension before the riots. u just have to be there to know. that song did help flame.

i said it helped flame. also u have the latasha harlins incident, and the judge who let off the korean lady with a slap on the wrist. also, mainstream media's willingness and constant fear to deflect blame from whites to koreans.

also, there's only so much u can learn from the internet little one. =) but i would def. say that song did spark huge tensions and did contribute significantly to what would happen later.

mofo
Apr 6 2007, 04:45 PM
he's a stupid lil kid. don't put too much faith in pop stars.

precious4e
Apr 6 2007, 06:02 PM
^ hahahaha true true

as to the original post all I have to say is: His comment was definitely offensive and ignorant. I hate how people get all upset when they are discriminated against but don't give a damn when they do it or it happens to someone else. I'm glad that you brought up the issue with YG. Hopefully they'll own up to it. If they ever want to make it big outside of Korea they're going to have to learn to be more tactful with these issues.

LucasBunny
Apr 6 2007, 10:23 PM

(rahrah @ Apr 6 2007, 11:16 AM) *
ice cube's song eventually helped flame the LA Riots in 1992. 5,000 Korean businesses were burned down, over $1 Billion in damages total. People are still suffering from the LA Riots today. do some research on it.

Most people in Korea, their impression of Black people is from what they saw in the news of the 1992 LA Riots. have u ever heard of 4-29?

ice cube's was way worse. much much worse. people died bc of what he said.

What??
that's not even true
first of all, people did not die because of that song
the big reasons behind the LA riots was because of the reasons stated by my gurl Sophia.

People didnt die because of that song

and stop comparing this to the black korea song

because the situations are different.

(cindel25 @ Apr 6 2007, 11:31 AM) *
^This is FOURTH time "Black Korea" has been brought up in this situation. So please get over yourself. rolleyes.gif

The song did not flame the L.A. Riots; please educate yourself before making unfounded statements.

The Rodney King verdict was a trigger but also unemployment, racial profiling, abusive treatment by the L.A.P.D and L.A. corrupt political establishment were factors.
Are you for real?

Agreed

clockwatcher
Apr 7 2007, 09:38 PM
Wasn't Ice Cube's song a reaction to the Latasha Harlins case? Black Korea was a reaction to that song so if you want to blame the LA riots on Black Korea, it seems like the Latasha Harlins case is the real culprit not Ice Cube. And what did Ice Cube help flame? Didn't a Korean grocer murder a 15 year old African American girl in cold blood? If he'd never recorded that song wouldn't people still have been very angry about how that case and how it was handled? Please let's be reasonable.

Ice Cube didn't cause any damn riots. The issues he rapped about played a part but the song itself didn't. It's not like the people were walking around happy with their lives and situation till they heard the song.

But seriously, Ice Cube and whatever does not in any way absolve these people of what they said. These cases are not even related. And if you want to blame Black Korea on these Korean artists' perception of African Americans, shouldn't they be more scared of Korean grocers?

rahrah
Apr 8 2007, 02:57 AM
a korean lady shot latasha harlins in the back, right after latasha hit the korean lady four times in the face, and knocked her out.
the korean lady was pissed, so she shot latasha out of anger while latasha was walking away. Im sorry, if someone punched me four times in the face first, and i had a gun in my hand, i would be pretty pissed off and would probably do the same. but i would expect jail time for it. would it be worth it? not in the long run, but dont say it was a cold blooded murder. uh... it was a woman who wanted to get the last word after getting knocked out being punched 4 times in the face. u guys are like all lying. calling it a cold blooded murder, saying ice cube apologized at a hip hop summit. WTF? U guys are worse than anyone defending big bang or whoever.

anyways, it was wrong, the lady did deserve some jail time. but the judge who was a white lady, gave her probation only. so blacks were pretty pissed. this verdict came during very high tensions during the Rodney King trial, which was pretty huge during the time.

riots started right after the rodney king verdict. but since white communities were inaccessible to south central LA bc of distance and police, they took their anger out on korean businesses instead who were closer by.

here are the lyrics to "Black Korea" which was pretty publicized among black and korean communities at the time. read it.

Everytime I wanna go get a john teshin brew
I gotta go down to the store with the two
oriental one-penny countin motherjohn teshers
that make a hello kitty made enough to cause a little ruckus
Thinkin every brother in the world's out to take
So they watch every damn move that I make
They hope I don't pull out a gat and try to rob
they funky little store, but pinkberry, I got a job
("Look you little Chinese motherjohn tesher
I ain't tryin to steal none of yo' mini cooper, leave me alone!"
"Mother-john tesh you!")
Yo yo, check it out
So don't follow me, up and down your market
Or your little chop suey ass'll be a target
of the nationwide boycott
Juice with the people, that's what the boy got
So pay respect to the black fist
or we'll burn your store, right down to a crisp
And then we'll see ya!
Cause you can't turn the ghetto - into Black Korea

i said several times, his song helped flame the LA Riots. if u like making stuff up so much, then ur just that immature. i said it helped, i never said it was the only cause.

out of all the impressions that blacks in america has left on koreans in korea, the biggest was probably the LA Riots, which was covered pretty extensively on tv at the time.

it is what it is. btw, some of u guys are pretty immature when it comes to reality. deal with it thats what happened. that song was very racist and definitely helped spark the LA Riots. and ice cube never apologized sincerely.

i heard it all before. if u want to deny what happened, make up lies and exaggerate about thousands of koreans who had their entire lives, families, businesses ruined, just for being korean, there is nothing wrong with anyone denying what happened to you. btw, i can name three friends whose parents were killed by blacks in robberies in their stores in south LA. they don't hate blacks at all tho, even tho they lost a parent for the rest of their lives. but like i said, your reactions to what happened in the past, is just as immature as any responses to this thread in the under 20 sections. so don't act like ur better than anyone else.

im done. latez.

*edit*

anyways... what happened was wrong, of course thats understandable, i said that in the beginning of this thread... i hope u guys find some peace with it some way thru something... but after seeing what u kind of wrote in reaction to things i brought up, it just ruined it for me.

anyways, ur just gonna have to say ice cube's song was racist and wrong, before I can say I support ur thing now too. i REALLY don't care if he apologizes sincerely or not cus i rather just forget about it, but now i just want to hear u guys say u his song was racist and wrong. i kind of wonder why its so hard for you to do since the incidents are seperate, but the reactions of people are the same.

LucasBunny
Apr 8 2007, 06:44 AM

(rahrah @ Apr 8 2007, 12:57 AM) *
a korean lady shot latasha harlins in the back, right after latasha hit the korean lady four times in the face, and knocked her out.

Lol if she knocked her out how did she shoot her??

Obviosly u didnt see the video, it's all on tape!
cuz if u did, u would see that she hit latasha harlins first, then she hit her back
the moment lakisha walked into that store she was treating her like a criminal.

So instead of calling the police she took the girls life.

Please there is no justification for the korean grocers behavior because she was wrong from the get go.
She did not have to take that girls life, it was cold blooded murder.
Stop blaming the tension between the blacks and koreans on black people only.

Please stop talking about the L

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